This podcast is with Dr Sethuraman Panchanathan who directs the US National Science Foundation. He talks about his nickname, about AI and data science, about training AI models, about transparency, about the language of collaboration, competitiveness, about talent. He says: "I think what we need as a nation is not only to unleash every ounce of talent in our country, the domestic talent, at full force and full scale. And we should welcome and aggregate and retain every ounce of global talent at full force and full scale."  (Art: J. Jackson, Music: Golden Era by Steven Bedall and licensed from artist.io.)