How is the Russian invasion of Ukraine affecting scientists? Here is another episode on this with a conversation with Dr. Svitlana Dekina, a researcher at the A.V. Bogatsky Physico-Chemical Institute of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine in Odessa, Ukraine. She has recently left Ukraine and is now at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory in Heidelberg, Germany. She is in Germany with her children; her husband is still in Ukraine. It's not easy to talk about staying and leaving but I am grateful Dr. Dekina took a moment to chat. And her colleague Dr. Theodore Alexandrov, an EMBL researcher did some translating--thank you! The passages in Ukrainian/Russian are also in the podcast. But Dr. Dekina speaks English just fine.